When Don and Roger are conversing at the bar, it's the same thing as when last season after Don socked Jimmy, Don and Roger went to another bar. Their converstaion was all Roger, about, It's your life etc.. And when Mona came in to Don's office, she gave Don the business accusing Don of what Roger had said, even though Don didn't sya it, and Don in front of Mona had just taken the fall anyway.
Don got payback here, did you catch it? He said it right to Roger.
"You're words not mine"
Total reference to the hit Don took last year. Not a coincidence. Watch that dialogue again, and catch not only the words but the mood.
I'm really loving the depth of the Betty experiance (not to be confused with depth regarding Betty). What I mean is this: we got it in season one when it's only a boy Betty can confide in, and we all assumed it's a comment on Betty's immaturity. But guess what? Know what I'm thinking now? Betty is a woman who has no mature man around her.
She can't even trust her husband. She can trust her psychiatrist. She can't even create a lark and go ride horses without an immature struggling man messing with her. She can't confide in Dad bc Dad is basically gone. Jimmy Barret whom she liked the attention, yet he was bad too. And she can't confide in her brother either. Seriously, the Betty character is getting more depth. The only male is Glenn. It began as a comment on her, and I'm thinking it's gravitating into a comment on, actually, the men around her and how she's affected by that. Think about it.
Roger and Joan. What's interesting is the reality of those two. It's not a joke anymore. I think we've all been there, where we realize it's either me, or the other person doing it to me, where the fact is that one person doesn't appreciate what they have when they have it, yet, gets jealous when they don't have it anymore. We've all been there, whichever side. I think there's a point to be had with Roger and Joan, not just juicey stuff. seriously.
Now, given the above, I get the title "Love Among the Ruins"
I loved when Betty's brother said Don had nobody at their wedding. Remember last year when the Dad said ...."you have no people!"
Regarding Don/Betty's brother/and Dad: I really think, as much as it looks like Don Draper is making an effort toward Betty by doing something he really doesn't want to do when he confronts Betty's brother.... I think it's more than that. I think it's ultimately gonna be about Don will learn to regret his decision (i.e. in the middle of the night Betty's dad tossing the booze in the sink). The brotherr wanted out.. and Don wanted in, and I thik he'll regret it, that's why they did that scene with the sink the way they did. So as much as some will "awwww Don", I don't think it's over given the booze pouring scene.
I think Don will regret it, and the fact that Betty is snipping at him, or, snipping regarding him ( did you catch when Betty visits the office she says, 'how long will I have to wait this time' obviously catching on to one of the best scenes in season 1 about Betty and the portraits) isn't going to aid Don in his effort. One last thing, but this is for the accuracyphiles:
In the offseason there was a live chat with MW and J Slattery. I was lucky enough that there weren't exactly a lot of people tuning in so I got 2 of my Qs answered by MW. I asked if he has ties to the Philly/S. Jersey area because he's done numerous references in the past, especially with Betty's Pop. He said he spent time between Philly/SE PA/ and Baltimore when he was young. Here, when Betty's dad shows up he says, Hey I went to Pat's, and started handing out cheesestakes. I know that's is a ? moment for most folks here but it's about MW being totally accurate in those obscure things. Very good.
I particularly found it interesting that the kitchen sink played such an interesting scene in today's episode. When Don decides to take in Betty's father, her brother is plunging the sink. (I wondered what a strange thing for him to be doing at this time of day. Maybe it had something to do with the fact they couldn't prepare dinner so that's why Betty was off to get chicken. I'm always struck that they are dressed so nicely even to do such dirty jobs. Not like today, for sure!) The brother stops plunging the sink, sets it down and Don lays down the law, seemingly, to ease Betty's anxiety. (Touching considering that he just banged a stewardess, but whatever.) This is the point when Don decides to take action and forces his decisions down the brother's throat. At the end of the episode, we return to the sink where Betty's dad is pouring stuff down the recently unclogged sink making a whole new mess. Here, Don is indecisive and confused. Could Don Draper, actually be at a loss for words?! Wow!
I feel really badly for Betty's brother's wife. She really cares about the dad. I don't believe she's an opportunist. She's getting almost as bad a raw deal in her marriage as Betty.
I made the mistake of actually being happy that I think I may have nailed down the questions about ending, so I wanted to share with you all and see what you all think, but unfortunatley upon posting, it was immediately washed out by the Ted Kennedy barfight on the Episode 2 Open Thread. I'm just reposting it here.
Ok everyone pretty much got the barefoot dancing /freedom thing. But they actually show more of her face, her smile, her joy more than that.
Now marry her dancing around and around like a child symbollically as if not a care to be had, with what we visually saw. What did we visually see, in it's core foundation?
Especially in the wide shots, we had a strong central axis with connecting at the top and streaming down a (implied) canopy, at whose end are the children; travelling around and around with no destination and no meaning.
It's a carousel.
Then remember: "This device is not a spaceship. It is a time machine.... it travels the way a child travels... around and around...."
I think that's what's really going on here, a return to that motif.
I made the mistake of actually being happy that I think I may have nailed down the questions about ending, so I wanted to share with you all and see what you all think, but unfortunatley upon posting, it was immediately washed out by the Ted Kennedy barfight on the Episode 2 Open Thread. I'm just reposting it here.
Ok everyone pretty much got the barefoot dancing /freedom thing. But they actually show more of her face, her smile, her joy more than that.
Now marry her dancing around and around like a child symbollically as if not a care to be had, with what we visually saw. What did we visually see, in it's core foundation?
Especially in the wide shots, we had a strong central axis with connecting at the top and streaming down a (implied) canopy, at whose end are the children; travelling around and around with no destination and no meaning.
It's a carousel.
Then remember: "This device is not a spaceship. It is a time machine.... it travels the way a child travels... around and around...."
I think that's what's really going on here, a return to that motif.
MAD MEN
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Ok gang here we go:
This was my favorite part:
When Don and Roger are conversing at the bar, it's the same thing as when last season after Don socked Jimmy, Don and Roger went to another bar.
Their converstaion was all Roger, about, It's your life etc..
And when Mona came in to Don's office, she gave Don the business accusing Don of what Roger had said, even though Don didn't sya it, and Don in front of Mona had just taken the fall anyway.
Don got payback here, did you catch it? He said it right to Roger.
"You're words not mine"
Total reference to the hit Don took last year. Not a coincidence. Watch that dialogue again, and catch not only the words but the mood.
I'm really loving the depth of the Betty experiance (not to be confused with depth regarding Betty). What I mean is this: we got it in season one when it's only a boy Betty can confide in, and we all assumed it's a comment on Betty's immaturity. But guess what? Know what I'm thinking now? Betty is a woman who has no mature man around her.
She can't even trust her husband. She can trust her psychiatrist. She can't even create a lark and go ride horses without an immature struggling man messing with her. She can't confide in Dad bc Dad is basically gone. Jimmy Barret whom she liked the attention, yet he was bad too. And she can't confide in her brother either. Seriously, the Betty character is getting more depth. The only male is Glenn. It began as a comment on her, and I'm thinking it's gravitating into a comment on, actually, the men around her and how she's affected by that. Think about it.
Roger and Joan. What's interesting is the reality of those two. It's not a joke anymore. I think we've all been there, where we realize it's either me, or the other person doing it to me, where the fact is that one person doesn't appreciate what they have when they have it, yet, gets jealous when they don't have it anymore. We've all been there, whichever side. I think there's a point to be had with Roger and Joan, not just juicey stuff. seriously.
Now, given the above, I get the title "Love Among the Ruins"
I loved when Betty's brother said Don had nobody at their wedding. Remember last year when the Dad said ...."you have no people!"
Regarding Don/Betty's brother/and Dad: I really think, as much as it looks like Don Draper is making an effort toward Betty by doing something he really doesn't want to do when he confronts Betty's brother.... I think it's more than that. I think it's ultimately gonna be about Don will learn to regret his decision (i.e. in the middle of the night Betty's dad tossing the booze in the sink). The brotherr wanted out.. and Don wanted in, and I thik he'll regret it, that's why they did that scene with the sink the way they did. So as much as some will "awwww Don", I don't think it's over given the booze pouring scene.
I think Don will regret it, and the fact that Betty is snipping at him, or, snipping regarding him ( did you catch when Betty visits the office she says, 'how long will I have to wait this time' obviously catching on to one of the best scenes in season 1 about Betty and the portraits) isn't going to aid Don in his effort.
One last thing, but this is for the accuracyphiles:
In the offseason there was a live chat with MW and J Slattery. I was lucky enough that there weren't exactly a lot of people tuning in so I got 2 of my Qs answered by MW. I asked if he has ties to the Philly/S. Jersey area because he's done numerous references in the past, especially with Betty's Pop. He said he spent time between Philly/SE PA/ and Baltimore when he was young. Here, when Betty's dad shows up he says, Hey I went to Pat's, and started handing out cheesestakes.
I know that's is a ? moment for most folks here but it's about MW being totally accurate in those obscure things. Very good.
I particularly found it interesting that the kitchen sink played such an interesting scene in today's episode. When Don decides to take in Betty's father, her brother is plunging the sink. (I wondered what a strange thing for him to be doing at this time of day. Maybe it had something to do with the fact they couldn't prepare dinner so that's why Betty was off to get chicken. I'm always struck that they are dressed so nicely even to do such dirty jobs. Not like today, for sure!) The brother stops plunging the sink, sets it down and Don lays down the law, seemingly, to ease Betty's anxiety. (Touching considering that he just banged a stewardess, but whatever.) This is the point when Don decides to take action and forces his decisions down the brother's throat. At the end of the episode, we return to the sink where Betty's dad is pouring stuff down the recently unclogged sink making a whole new mess. Here, Don is indecisive and confused. Could Don Draper, actually be at a loss for words?! Wow!
Don Draper, the man of words, at a loss for them...
That's such a great point about the sink.
I guess it's about how life can go down the drain; It's Betty's father and brother, people outside of Don, who is dragging him down?? I don't know.
I don't know, but great point.
I feel really badly for Betty's brother's wife. She really cares about the dad. I don't believe she's an opportunist. She's getting almost as bad a raw deal in her marriage as Betty.
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Folks I think I got the ending.
I made the mistake of actually being happy that I think I may have nailed down the questions about ending, so I wanted to share with you all and see what you all think, but unfortunatley upon posting, it was immediately washed out by the Ted Kennedy barfight on the Episode 2 Open Thread. I'm just reposting it here.
Ok everyone pretty much got the barefoot dancing /freedom thing. But they actually show more of her face, her smile, her joy more than that.
Now marry her dancing around and around like a child symbollically as if not a care to be had, with what we visually saw. What did we visually see, in it's core foundation?
Especially in the wide shots, we had a strong central axis with connecting at the top and streaming down a (implied) canopy, at whose end are the children; travelling around and around with no destination and no meaning.
It's a carousel.
Then remember: "This device is not a spaceship. It is a time machine.... it travels the way a child travels... around and around...."
I think that's what's really going on here, a return to that motif.
Folks I think I got the ending.
I made the mistake of actually being happy that I think I may have nailed down the questions about ending, so I wanted to share with you all and see what you all think, but unfortunatley upon posting, it was immediately washed out by the Ted Kennedy barfight on the Episode 2 Open Thread. I'm just reposting it here.
Ok everyone pretty much got the barefoot dancing /freedom thing. But they actually show more of her face, her smile, her joy more than that.
Now marry her dancing around and around like a child symbollically as if not a care to be had, with what we visually saw. What did we visually see, in it's core foundation?
Especially in the wide shots, we had a strong central axis with connecting at the top and streaming down a (implied) canopy, at whose end are the children; travelling around and around with no destination and no meaning.
It's a carousel.
Then remember: "This device is not a spaceship. It is a time machine.... it travels the way a child travels... around and around...."
I think that's what's really going on here, a return to that motif.
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